Geoff: In terms of how many there are, there’s a publicly quoted figure, which is 6,000, which has come from analysis of testimony from defectors who’ve come out of North Korea. To train these people, the North Korean government can’t rely on hackers in hoodies in bedrooms, kids who just go on YouTube, because in North Korea you can’t just pick up a laptop and go on the Internet. All the computer hackers in North Korea have come up through the school system. They’ve been spotted and groomed by the regime to go into elite universities, to hone their skills. A lot will go into either the nuclear program or government hacking.